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Whisky
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 01:56 PM

  Since time immemorial, empires have spread across continents, conquering Kingdoms and countries alike, placing them under central rule. Wars have been going on ever since it dawned on man that he could sharpen his small rocks to form arrowheads atop sticks to make spears; initially for hunting purposes, but later for tribal supremacy.

Many Kings, Emperors, and Warriors of the Old World saw war as an honorable way to fight, and a glorified way to die, in settling disputes. A victory installing pride and empowerment amongst their peoples.

There were originally 12 Tribes of Israel. But after the death of King Solomon, the united Tribes of Israel split into 2 kingdoms- the Southern Kingdom of "Judah," with the capital remaining at Jerusalem, and the Northern Kingdom of "Israel," with the capital at Samaria.

The Northern kingdom lasted just over 200 years before they were conquered and were forced into exile by the Assyrians under King Shalmaneser circa 1800 B.C. They never returned, and have become known to history as the "Lost 10 Tribes of Israel."

It only took another two centuries before the Southern Kingdom of Judah was conquered and were forced into exile by the Babylonians under King Nebuchadnezzar. Unlike the Northern Kingdom however, a remnant of the Southern Kingdom was allowed to return and resettle Jerusalem in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah after the Babylonians were themselves conquered by the Persians under Cyrus the Great. Their descendants are known as the Jews of today.

Old Israel was no different than any regional empire during its height of power. The bible has accurately described genocide committed by Israel, by the words of their GOD, and by the command of King David.

God commanded to the Israelites that they invade Canaan, and exterminate their seven nation-states in widespread acts of genocide; against the Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.

Deuteronomy 7:1-2:

"... the seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."

Joshua 6:21:

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."

This latter passage describes one event in the invasion of Canaan by the ancient Israelites. After the walls of the city of Jericho fell, the soldiers ran into the city, and murdered all its inhabitants: elderly men and women, mature men and women, pregnant women, youths, boys, girls, infants and newborns. Their goal was to entirely wipe out the Canaanite culture by destroying its people; this is one definition of genocide. Incidentally, the people were butchered by the edge of the sword, because the weapons did not have pointed ends.

Joshua 10:40-41:

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon."

Samuel 27:8-9:

"And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites ... And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel. And David saved neither man nor woman alive"

Mass murder of the Midianite children:
Numbers 31:1-18:

"...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

On God's instructions, Moses sent 12,000 soldiers against the Midianites. The army killed every adult Midianite male. This is in response to some of the Israelite men having had sex with some of the Midianite women. Moses then ordered them to slaughter in cold blood each captive, including all of the boys, saving only female virgins. The latter were apparently to be retained for purposes of rape. The Midianite mothers were thus punished by having to watch their male children murdered in front of them. Then, they were themselves killed. Verse 35 talks about 32,000 virgin captives; this implies that there were probably about 32,000 boys killed.

Fate or karma it seems, millennia later, genocide hit the Israelis when the Germans under Nazi rule attempted to wipe out the Jews. Every great Kingdom or Empire has committed genocide at one point in their history. The Americans practically wiped out most of the Indigenous Tribes of America, and they are currently committing genocide in Iraq.
( See Fig.1 at document end )

Before WW1 Palestine was a district ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were defeated by Britain and her allies in the war. After WW1 Britain took control of Palestine, but there were many troubles between the Arabs who lived there and Jews who wanted to live there too.

After WW2, Britain decided to let the United Nations decide what to do with Palestine. The United Nations suggested separating Palestine into two countries, one Arab and one Jewish.

The Arab leaders said no to the plan, but the Jewish leaders accepted it and declared the state of Israel. The President of the United States gave his support to the new state.

Israel’s genocidal tendencies continue today in Lebanon, and in the Israeli occupied Gaza Strip, and West Bank of Palestine.

As we have now shown, the Jews of Israel do not live up to their innocent victim image they always like to portray. In reality, every great Kingdom / Civilization has committed genocide on one level or the other. The Jews lived by the sword, and they almost died by the sword- karma plain and simple.

The fact is Britain stole Palestinian land, which the Palestinian people fought and died for many years ago. This is unacceptable to Arabs on many levels. The Jews fought and died for that land too, but guess what? They lost! Move on!

To apply the same principals, why didn’t the United Nations tell Americans to move out of the United States, and let all the Native Americans reclaim their ancient lost territory? The Indigenous Native Americans were slaughtered in numbers that dwarf the German atrocities of WW2. Absurd!

A greater middle east is what Saddam Hussein envisioned, believing he is the reincarnation of Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II, wanting to reclaim the glory of the old Babylonian Kingdom. With Saddam Hussein out of power, the Iranian president seems to have taken his place as the Middle East megalomaniac.

As we have learned from Iraq, one country alone in the middle east cannot take on the United States military(or Israel for that matter) might and technology. Perhaps if the Arabs united under one banner, as in the 1967 war where Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq, supported by others, attacked the newly established State of Israel which they refused to recognize, they could be successful.

The United States and Israel always vote for each other in U.N. resolutions without exception. Because of this relationship Israel is seen as a hand of America, and as some Anti-Zions claim America is a hand of Israel.

The state of Israel precludes any conquerors ambitions to a United Arab Empire, and it is the pivotal point that must be destroyed before there could ever been a great Arab Empire again such as Babylon.

With the United States manipulating wars and oil, and the religious tension between Islams and Jews, the war has already begun.

In brief, no people deserve a country they didn't fight for. No right for an Israeli state.

Fig. 1

The British medical journal the Lancet, released results of a new study to determine an actual accounting of Iraqis killed during the current U.S.-led war. According to the Lancet there have been 600,000 Iraqis killed since the beginning of this war.

Further information from the Wall Street Journal adds interesting context to these numbers. In its report the Wall Street Journal noted that "Human Rights Watch has estimated Saddam Hussein's regime killed 250,000 to 290,000 people over 20 years." This means that in U.S. led efforts to "bring freedom and democracy" to Iraq twice as many people have died in 4 years than were killed by Saddam Hussein's entire regime.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 04:02 PM

 
 
   
mike_w
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 04:05 PM

  I'd like to discuss this article a bit. A factual thing to get out of the way first:
-"Verse 35 talks about 32,000 virgin captives; this implies that there were probably about 32,000 boys killed. "
*How do you know the number of virgin captives implies the death of 32,000 boys?

Moving on...

-"Fate or karma it seems, millennia later, genocide hit the Israelis when the Germans under Nazi rule attempted to wipe out the Jews."

*Not true that this is fate/karma. The Jewish community has been persecuted by the global community, since before Jesus
Christ. Anti-semitic acts in the middle ages are most profoundly indicative of this. Several reasons:

#Jews were not allowed to hold public office, work in many jobs, so they invented interest banking. (which drew widepsread resentment)

#The Christians (erroneously, unfortunately) accused the Jews of being solely responsible for the death of Jesus Christ.
#The Jews were accused of beginning the Black Death in the 14th century.

#People in more recent times have been jealous of Jews because of their widespread success in many disciplines, and their hard work and determination

#Others can be found at Wikipedia.org, and many other websites including <http://ddickerson.igc.org/antisemitism.html>, <http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm>, and several other website resources.

-"The Americans practically wiped out most of the Indigenous Tribes of America, and they are currently committing genocide in Iraq."
*The state of affairs in Iraq is such that of civil war and unrest, despite the illusion of isolated incidents of unruly soldiers. As for your figure, it isn't visible, and all I see is an unsourced statistic, so at the time there is no reason to believe this particular statement.

-"Israel’s genocidal tendencies continue today in Lebanon, and in the Israeli occupied Gaza Strip, and West Bank of Palestine. "
*This statement is particularly interesting. To rebuke this biased fallacy, the following should be taken into consideration:
"Hezbollah, or its external security arm, has been labeled a terrorist organization by several countries; including Australia, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, the Netherlands and Israel, the EU regards it as a terrorist organization"
\More info on hezbollah at: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah>, <news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm>, <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/hezbollah/index.html?inline=nyt-org>

*Israel is retaliating against the clear middle-age thinking of Hezbollah's ideology: "the complete destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of Islamic rule over Jerusalem is an expressed goal." (Wikipedia)
*Therefore, it is agreeable to say that Israel is acting in self defence, not in instigating genocide.

-"As we have now shown, the Jews of Israel do not live up to their innocent victim image they always like to portray. In reality, every great Kingdom / Civilization has committed genocide on one level or the other. The Jews lived by the sword, and they almost died by the sword- karma plain and simple."
*The reason they look like victims is because they are victims. It's simple cause and effect. Ignoring the holocaust, the persecution by the Romans before Christ, Middle-age anti-semitism, and modern anti- *semitism seems to be a strong point of Whisky's article. Can one historically deny any of these anti-semitic acts? No. They are easily provable. Was the Jewish slaughter in ancient times genocide? Well, the Jews were instructed by God to do so, as we take the Bible to be a source of truth in this article, so I don't have to prove that to you. I can assure you that God didn't tell Hitler to wipe out the Jews. Hitler was a madman. He had insane officials in his staff, in charge of mass extermination of people based on his hate of their economic success, and took advantage of popular resentment among lesser people to brainwash them and use them as instruments of hate and violence. Two different things: God telling you to do something, and you making it up in your head (subjective reality). I would also dispute the fact that every Civilization has committed genocide, but that is besides the point. The point is: the Jews are not at fault.

-”To apply the same principals, why didn’t the United Nations tell Americans to move out of the United States, and let all the Native Americans reclaim their ancient lost territory? The Indigenous Native Americans were slaughtered in numbers that dwarf the German atrocities of WW2. Absurd!”

*It is a fact that the Jews are a race, and Judaism is a religion. They go hand in hand. how does it logically follow, that Catholic holy ground in Rome is occupied rightfully by Catholics, Muslim holy ground occupied rightfully in Mecca by Muslims, Hindu holy ground occupied rightfully in India by Hindus, but the Jews should not be entitled to their holy city? Of course not, because of the anti-semitic shroud being pulled over everyone’s eyes, just like “Whisky” who wrote this erroneous article. The Jews need a homeland. They are not so weak as to give up in their search for a permanent homeland. It’s been a “problem” for the global community for many centuries, the Jews living in diaspora (that is, outside the homeland), despite their positive influences, but anyway, why not try to give them a place to live? I’ve already shown that they have been subject to enormous cruelty, and clearly they deserve to have a homeland of their own. As for the ‘slaughter in numbers’ of indians, I’d like to see some numbers.

-”As we have learned from Iraq, one country alone in the middle east cannot take on the United States military(or Israel for that matter) might and technology.”
*Funny how you talk about genocide. Saddam Hussain was on trial for genocide actually. He murdered tons of people. That’s one reason he probably shouldn’t have taken on the US. It’s cause and effect. You bother the big guns, they shoot at you.

-”The United States and Israel always vote for each other in U.N. resolutions without exception. Because of this relationship Israel is seen as a hand of America, and as some Anti-Zions claim America is a hand of Israel.”
*The US is actually smart enough to have them as an ally, as opposed to many others. They live in synergy, and I don’t have to tell everyone about the intelligence of the Jews, because we know they are a brilliant people. It is normal for a state to have allies, Israel just happens to have a very powerful and rich ally, one that many other nations envy, and think just like ‘Whisky’ about their UN voting policies. Being friends with a permanent security council member probably makes sense to a lot of people.

-”With the United States manipulating wars and oil, and the religious tension between Islams and Jews, the war has already begun.”
*It is actually corerctly said “Muslims”, but that aside, the US fights wars, not manipulates them, and wins them for the most part. Every govenment does what it needs to do in order to secure victory, as other consequences are usually worse. As for manipulating oil, I’d like to see some stats and/or cited facts.

-”In brief, no people deserve a country they didn't fight for. No right for an Israeli state.”
*Incorrect. The Jews have fought for a peice of land for many centuries, and now they have it. They acted in self-defence, plain and simple. Civilian deaths are part of any war, and now the Jews are fighting for what is theirs. It is, in fact, right to have an israeli state.

This rebuttal is open to creative interpretation.

---Mike Wesolowski
 
   
mike_w
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 04:08 PM

  By unsourced, I mean to say that people don't really subscribe to the Lancet here, so if you use citations, use proper book references or post URL's.
 
   
Whisky
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 05:52 PM

 
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 05:54 PM

  too much to read...
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 05:59 PM

  ahaha wisky got booked OWNED
 
   
Whisky
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 06:21 PM

  The United States has supported,funded,armed dictators of facist states, invaded soviergn nations,committed terrorism on its own population on September 11th, and they have the adisity to call Hesbollah a terrorist organazation?!

Why does Israel hide that it is a nuclear power? The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968 have neither signed nor ratified by Israel, yet we all know they posess Nuclear Weapons of Mass Distruction, they developed hand in hand with the French during the 70's.

The Daily Herald reported two weeks ago an article called "Israel’s ongoing annexations work against peace"

Quotes:

"The Palestinians continue to stand behind a peace plan laid out by Saudi Arabia in 2002 that was endorsed by major Arab countries to end the conflict, sign a final peace accord if Israel would return the Gaza Strip, West Bank and share Jerusalem.

Seemed simple enough. Everything that Israel’s past governments have been saying they have wanted since Israel was created in 1948. So why doesn’t Israel accept that plan? For starters, while they have been publicly calling for peace, they have been steadily annexing Palestinian-owned lands in the West Bank, not just for settlements. They increased the number of settlers — there are no Christian and Muslim settlers, only Jewish settlers in the West Bank, and then cut that number from 450,000 to about 250,000 simply by annexing the land and settlements that surround Jerusalem.

They declared against international law that the land is now a part of Israel. They built a barrier that is concrete where civilians live and a fence with a moat and concrete “footprint” 25 feet wide in farmland areas that embrace settlements outside the “Jerusalem circle.”

Israel says it protects Israelis from terrorist attacks. The reality is it expands Israel’s boundaries into the West Bank, carves up the Jordan Valley and further separates Palestinians from their lands. The wall, where it is concrete, cuts through Palestinians cities, separating farmers from farms, and families from relatives.

Well, the friend asked, hasn’t the wall stopped terrorism against Israel? Hamas, the largest militant group that was behind the suicide bombings against Israel, declared a “hudna” or cessation of violence almost two years ago. Acts of violence against Israelis continue, but can anyone, including a city like Chicago, really prevent all violence? It’s not possible.

A young Palestinian girl killed last week was among dozens who have been killed. Her home was bombed by Israel. Is she a terrorist? Can her family file a suit against Israel or against pro-Israel U.S. groups whose donations may have contributed to her death? No. The way the U.S. Victim of Terrorism Law is written, only Palestinian acts of violence against Americans in the Middle East can be prosecuted. The law doesn’t recognize Israeli acts of violence against Palestinian civilians as “terrorism.”"

During the 6 day war, Israel fighter planes and torpedo boats delibertley attacked an American Intelligence Ship- The USS Liberty, off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula. Every single crew member abord the ship, knew it was a conspiracy -not mistaken identity.

"These conclusions have been challenged from several fronts, most notably by an organization of several Liberty survivors, as well as by some key former high-ranking officials who were in office at the time in the United States government, including the Secretary of State, The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the NSA, and the senior legal counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of of Inquiry into the incident."
- Wikipedia


The USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed a formal
Report with the Department of Defense of War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel on June 8, 1967, by elements of the Israeli Military Forces.

The United States is obligated by law and by international treaty
to investigate all reports of war crimes by or against United States Forces. This report obligates such an investigation.
They are still waiting patiently for a reply.

Israel is just as corrupt as the United States of America, and it is no coincidence the two are politically interwoven.

The American people aren't evil, nor are the Israelis, but their governments are highly controlled by secret society networks.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 06:25 PM

  Even if you were to deny every thing I've posted, The bible is a testimony of past Israeli genocide. You can't deny that can you?
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 06:32 PM

  Lies of your reply.

How did the Israeli's fight for the land? They did in long ago times, and they lost. End of story.

They didn't fight for their new Israel, the United Nations stole it from the Palestinians, and handed it over to the Jews.

I will jump on my pig that can fly, and go to Jeruselem when you post a source that claims Jews in 1948 faught and died to create Israel.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 06:36 PM

  Since when are people jealous of Jewish sucess? How did they suceed, the world still hates them?

Jealous maybe, that they have Mercedes Benz, and other Germany Companies providing retrobution from the German government. Perhaps...

Why don't attack some wings on your back, and paint a rainbow on your nose, and go as Tucan Sam for Halloween!
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 06:42 PM

 
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:06 PM

  Just so you don' think I'm anti-Semitic, and just picking on the Jews, lets take a close look at Catholics/ Christians.

They took a messenger of god, a Jewish man, and turned him into his own religion! That is like the Jews worshiping Moses, turning him into “Mosesanity”, just because he brought down the 10 commandments from Mount Sinai!

If they believed Jesus was the son of God, then their Gods religion has to be Judaism. I always get a laugh out of Christians/ Catholics who wear bracelets that say “WWJD”- What Would Jesus Do? I’ll tell you what Jesus would do. Jesus would be celebrating the holy Sabbath on Friday, and eating matzo crackers during Passover. Living out his religion of Judaism of its entirety. Not worshiping himself in a religion called Christianity. So they don't like their own god’s religion (Judaism), and they made up their own based on certain events of his life.

In 300 A.D., Emperor Constantine of the Roman Empire ordered that certain books be taken out of the bible. Anything that could be conceived as controversial. 24 books were subsequently taken out of the bible, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the
Book of Enoch, and thousands of scrolls pertaining to Jesus himself.
Jesus was a rich man (enough to keep 300 families rich), the son of an architect who also traded goods internationally, Jesus was not a carpenter. For more information read, “Hidden Stories of the Childhood of Jesus”, by Dr. Glenn Kimball.

The fact is Christianity has little to do with the man we call “Christ”.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:12 PM

  Why don't attack some wings on your back, and paint a rainbow on your nose, and go as Tucan Sam for Halloween!


Why don't you attack the argument as opposed to the arguer? That line had no purpose in your response.
 
   
mike_w
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:20 PM

  -" Even if you were to deny every thing I've posted, The bible is a testimony of past Israeli genocide. You can't deny that can you?"
*I've already given my proof for it not being genocide. It was Divine revelation, God told them to do it(taking the Bible to be true). See above posting for details.

-"They didn't fight for their new Israel, the United Nations stole it from the Palestinians, and handed it over to the Jews."
*Finders keepers doesn't apply here, Whisky. Land that belongs to the Jews was rightfully handed over. I'll show that you're wrong after the next point.

-"I will jump on my pig that can fly, and go to Jeruselem when you post a source that claims Jews in 1948 faught and died to create Israel."
*There's no need for a source here. Everyone knows they died in World War II, are you denying they died? Besides that, there was no way they could have fought to create Israel. They had no state, remember? There was no Israel, they were a displaced people. Civilians usually can't form armies to go against the blitzkrieg and evict Arabs from their land.

-" Since when are people jealous of Jewish sucess? How did they suceed, the world still hates them?"
*People like Hitler were jealous of Jewish success, and insofar as to feel so threatened at their dominance of the German economy as to smash the windows of their shops and force boycotts.

*Jews have a certain measure of success in their fields of work and business. People still "hate" them (more and more evidently Whisky is one of these people) because of their success in fields that others are not so successful in. The fact that some are rich is of no consequence. You can hate any decent American politician for that. As for the Mercedes Benz, they've earned it, through education (they have extensive knowledge of their own religion, hence they are better in school) and hard work.

*The longer response given by Whisky may contain some truth, but it really doesn't relate much to the fact they deserve a homeland. They deal mostly with hazy consipracy theories and terrorist speculation. The fact remains the Jewish people have rightfully occupied their homeland based on my previous discussion.Corrupt governments and scandals happen everywhere, not just Israel and the US. [/b]
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:43 PM

  -"They took a messenger of god, a Jewish man, and turned him into his own religion! That is like the Jews worshiping Moses, turning him into “Mosesanity”, just because he brought down the 10 commandments from Mount Sinai!"

*Wow. Here goes. Chistianity was founded because of the ressurection of Christ, the 12 apostles, and Christs profound moral and spiritual teaching. (Taking the bible to be true here), Jesus rose from the dead. He truly was God incarnate. Christianity was founded because of the people who were closest to Jesus were taught that the only way to heaven was through Him. Two very different people. Two very different situations. Christianity was founded off of Judaism, and Christians are really only completed Jews who believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

-"If they believed Jesus was the son of God, then their Gods religion has to be Judaism. I always get a laugh out of Christians/ Catholics who wear bracelets that say “WWJD”- What Would Jesus Do? I’ll tell you what Jesus would do. Jesus would be celebrating the holy Sabbath on Friday, and eating matzo crackers during Passover. Living out his religion of Judaism of its entirety. Not worshiping himself in a religion called Christianity. So they don't like their own god’s religion (Judaism), and they made up their own based on certain events of his life."

*True, Jesus was a Jew. I sense a great deal of going off topic here from the right for the Jews to have a homeland, but anyway... As I said before, Christians are completed Jews. We believe everything they do, and much more. The rituals and practices are different because Christianity is based on Christ's teaching - the Sermon on the Mount, the Last Supper, the Crucifixion (dying on the cross for the sins of humanity showing unconditional love and the salvation of mankind). Your argument and logic could be applied to Buddhism vs. Hinduism, why didn't Buddha teach about the Hindu notion of God like Hinduism did? BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT THEOLOGIES, DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES, DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. They have different rituals and beliefs, just like Christianity and Judaism do.

-"In 300 A.D., Emperor Constantine of the Roman Empire ordered that certain books be taken out of the bible. Anything that could be conceived as controversial. 24 books were subsequently taken out of the bible, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the
Book of Enoch, and thousands of scrolls pertaining to Jesus himself.
Jesus was a rich man (enough to keep 300 families rich), the son of an architect who also traded goods internationally, Jesus was not a carpenter. For more information read, “Hidden Stories of the Childhood of Jesus”, by Dr. Glenn Kimball.

The fact is Christianity has little to do with the man we call “Christ”."

*This is absolutely erroneous. I thought you took the Bible to be a source of truth? Anyway, these gnostic gospels are written in a symbolic sense. They do not pertain to the life of Jesus like the Good News of the New Testament. Constantine was, for most of his life, a pagan, but converted to Christianity on his deathbed. The gnostic gospels were taken out in the Council of Nicea because they were just that- symbolic, and did not serve to teach the laity about the nature of God and creation, morality, Christianity, etc. etc.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:46 PM

  "They took a messenger of god, a Jewish man, and turned him into his own religion! That is like the Jews worshiping Moses, turning him into “Mosesanity”, just because he brought down the 10 commandments from Mount Sinai!"

They did not "take" him and turned him into his own religion, it is because of Jesus Christ that there is Chrisitianity, he formed his own religion, and told his disciples to keep it alive. That was a very ignorant statement on your part.

"If they believed Jesus was the son of God, then their Gods religion has to be Judaism. I always get a laugh out of Christians/ Catholics who wear bracelets that say “WWJD”- What Would Jesus Do? I’ll tell you what Jesus would do. Jesus would be celebrating the holy Sabbath on Friday, and eating matzo crackers during Passover. Living out his religion of Judaism of its entirety. Not worshiping himself in a religion called Christianity. So they don't like their own god’s religion (Judaism), and they made up their own based on certain events of his life."

Jesus Christ would do that which in Judaism is true, and more importantly, that which is true in Christianity; Christianity took Judaism to the next level, a higher level of truth. Because Jesus was born into a Jewish family [thereby making him Jewish] does not mean that he is forced to do any Jewish ceremony. Jesus is part man, part God; Jesus would not do wrong, Jesus could not and cannot, because Jesus is God. It is against the nature of God to be flawed. Those who wear WWJD bracelets are asking the truth; what is the problem in that?

"In 300 A.D., Emperor Constantine of the Roman Empire ordered that certain books be taken out of the bible. Anything that could be conceived as controversial. 24 books were subsequently taken out of the bible, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the
Book of Enoch, and thousands of scrolls pertaining to Jesus himself.
Jesus was a rich man (enough to keep 300 families rich), the son of an architect who also traded goods internationally, Jesus was not a carpenter. For more information read, “Hidden Stories of the Childhood of Jesus”, by Dr. Glenn Kimball.

The fact is Christianity has little to do with the man we call “Christ”."

How do we know that what Dr. Kimball is saying is true? Is it as true, or more so than what Dan Brown could publish? [That was sarcasm if you didn't pick it up]. The fact is Christianity has everything to do with Christ; if you can't figure that out from the etymology of the word, than I suggest you do a bit more reading and research before attempting to give "closer looks" at Christianity. It seems like your closer look here missed what you were trying to look at.
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:47 PM

  ^ LMAO!
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:50 PM

  "Part God Part Man" LOL!
 
   
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Posted: October 23 2006 at 07:50 PM

  The Terminator was a great movie.
 
 
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