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Posted: May 16 2006 at 06:35 PM

here is all the euro history... you would ever need to know --->

Props 2 euroman... amazing job

Do you remember the movie, �A Night at the Roxbury�? Now if you do, you will definitely remember the amazing tracks that movie contained. Songs like, What is Love by Haddaway and Sweet Dreams by La Bouche gave the movie that touch it needed to convince movie-goers that the film was centered on nightlife and clubs. These songs were so great that it made Kris Kattan�s character shatter the passenger window while nodding his head to the beat of the music in one the scenes from the movie. �A Night at the Roxbury� was the ultimate movie to illustrate how popular dance music was at that time in the mainstream.

Dance, a genre that was made popular and sky rocketed to the mainstream in the early nineties has been a part of the Canadian music culture for many years. The �Euro boom� which took place between 1993 and 1999 was an era in dance music that was absolutely phenomenal. Artists like La Bouche, Le Click and Cartouche (just to name a few) were the big names in dance music at the time. Even the Canadian dance artists had huge hits like Capital Sound from Ottawa, Solina and Joee. Dance music got major sponsorship from record labels like BMG and Arista records; this symbolized support by record industry of dance music. The Euro-boom marked a time where artists had distinct styles and you could tell from the first verse of a song which artist that you were listening to. The vocals were very strong and production was at its best. Movies were using dance songs in their soundtracks and dance songs were featured on mainstream television such MuchMusic. Dance and Freestyle recording artist Zoe was able to give an artist perspective of the difference between dance now and dance from the early nineties.� The artists in the early nineties had more exposure through radio and the internet wasn�t a big problem and production was different. I think it�s the overall change with the industry rather than the artists.�

Electric Circus, which was a big part of dance culture in Toronto and beyond, featured live performances by Joee, Amber, Emjay and Jefferson Project and EC was also brought to Canada�s Wonderland where they showcased dance acts also in their lineup. The music was so popular at the time that some songs were featured on Billboard�s top 100 and there was no turning back for Euro at this time.

Dance took a turn for the worse about 1999 when it saw lack of support. EC which was a driving force behind dance music decided to do away with playing a lot of dance and switched formats to Hip-hop which was growing at a staggering rate at that time. It was clearly evident that EC�s fall from glory had some connection to dance music. �I think EC should have stuck to their roots and maybe the show would still be on the air�, Zoe stated. When asked if she saw the changes in the EC format as a sign of bad things to come for dance, she indicated that she saw the changes coming because no one takes risks anymore.� It just goes to show that people conform and give up on originality.� The change in the format of EC proved to be a major road block for the dance music scene here in Toronto. Slowly the show moved away from what it initially epitomized and moved into an urban atmosphere. Some may argue that the show was due to be laid to rest but others such as myself strongly believe that the demise of the EC (whose last show was in December 2003 ) was in part to the decision of the show producers to drop dance music from their format and concentrate more on hip-hop.

The genre saw a glimmer of hope about the same time the Euro-boom was going into oblivion in the name of Ian Van Dahl with a now embedded track stuck in everyone�s minds, �Castles in the Sky�. One of the few songs to submerge from the euro-boom, �Castles in the Sky� was heavily played on the radio and dominated charts and everyone talked about the vocals of Marsha. 1999 was a period when dance started to change with the advanced sounds to make it have more of a trance feel. That�s the belief of MC Armani-G a popular and charismatic MC in the clubbing scene in Toronto. Armani has been one of the driving forces keeping dance music alive in the city. Do you think dance music is on a decline?� Yes, it is. It�s on the decline due to the same type of sounds being used and also how hip hop has evolved. Radio and Television shows support hip hop now than dance which is why it is on the decline�, Armani answered. It was clear that dance music had lost the luster it once had. Zoe shared the same view about dance music drastic fall from popularity stating that she believed certain genres within the dance bracket had declined due to lack of support and preference.� Like anything else music also changes. Trance has had an impact and a couple of years ago it was hardly heard on the airwaves�, she implied. �We crave and follow trends. If every station would start playing dance, more people would feel better cranking beats and not feel out of the loop. We live in a world of followers and few leaders it seems.�

The media has a key part to play in what people view and hear and they have huge command as to how dance music has taken a different outlook when it comes to broadcasting. Z1035, the city�s lone station which was hailed as a voice for dance music has slowly diminished it percentage of dance music spins on air. It can be seen in their countdowns that takes place at different times of the day. Do you think Z1035 has cut back on the percentage of dance it has played, lets say dating back 2 years ago? �I�m not sure on the contrast of two years but because of the lack of the quality in dance music it has become a lot more competitive to get airplay especially when CANCON (Canadian Content) can easily meet its requirements with huge artists such as Shania Twain and Avril Lavgne,� Zoe explained.

With hip hops increasing popularity and presence it has become an up hill battle to market dance music to sponsors. Hip Hop�s dominance has captured the attention of youngsters and adults with its �Bling Bling� characteristics. There is no doubt that the genre has a major economical value to numerous corporations which is why it is so popular. Unfortunately dance music does not share the same success as hip hop artists with major sponsorship and huge publicity. Toronto has produced some stellar dance acts from Elissa to Original 3, who won a Juno award and was twice nominated. Joee who as been singing since the early nineties has survived the tough times of Dance music is a text book example of an artist who has continued to keep the dance scene alive. The Sound Bluntz is a perfect example taken right out of the saga of Dance music�s lack of local support. They won the Juno for Best Dance Recording in 2003 with their cover of Michael Jackson� Billie Jean and repeated that accomplishment this year but that was not sufficient to warrant any acknowledgement of who they were. Many people shrugged their shoulders when asked did they know were The Sound Bluntz. Perplexing it may seem for a group with 2 Juno awards not be recognized or their songs not known but this is the ordeal that local dance artists have to deal with in their quest for recognition. At times they find more success in other markets like Europe and South America and only get the stripes they deserve when they have made some sort of accomplishments. �Locally it is important to work hard on promoting yourself as an artists and working with your label to get on compilations, radio and concerts. Unfortunately the artist has the least power to make these decisions. I think the way an artist presents his/herself is also very important�, Zoe says. �I know I work hard especially on my Miami Concert. Of course radio is important but you can have 1000 spins a day but if you have no stage presence then that�s also going to affect future performances.�

As we move away from the glory days of dance music and into an era where the power of technology has massively altered how dance music now sounds, there is no doubt that the characteristics of the genre has changed. Some things are still prevalent like sexy the vocalist. Groups like Groove Coverage, Ian Van Dahl and Lasgo are paving the way for the dance music of the now generation. The road to recognition has not been easy for groups like these and with the vast increase of internet users since dance music�s hey day, it has made free music accessible to all. Kazaa and Morpheus were not available in the early nineties which was something artists did not have to worry about then. Today artists are faced with the daunting task of having to promote their CDs and music more extensively. The rise of Kazaa and readily available sources of free music has put a dagger in the hearts of dance artists who are valiant effort to keep the genre afloat. In Toronto the battle is being lost to keep dance music alive. Lack of sponsorship by companies who focus on how can an event benefit them and why fuel so much money into it are shying away from sponsoring dance events. The Summer Rush which has takes place every summer has featured some of the most famous dance groups and will have it 14th show this year. The show sponsored partially by Pizza Pizza is a small glimmer of hope for dance music in Toronto but there is a long way to go in order to achieve continued results.

Last edited by Vlad on May 16, 2006 a 6:37 PM

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Posted: May 16 2006 at 09:00 PM

	Quote: _EuG_
	House came first man... from disco i think that euro... is jus trance dumbed down for drunk people to party to

Can't argue with facts. So read my post once more and deal with it

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Posted: May 16 2006 at 09:03 PM

I also hate when people mix up Euro to be apart of the Trance genre. Euro is definitly House because of the way it's put together. It's constructed almost exactly like a Deep House or Progressive House song would be. I suggest searching your music up before saying like OOO EURO IS TRANCE, blah blah. Get your facts straight.

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:17 AM

euro sounds totaly different then house... completely different beat

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:44 AM

This thread is plain stupid and i laugh @ most of the idiots who responded.

Theres so many different kinds of djs out there, its funny how someone will write omg my 2 favourite djs are tiesto and some local nobody.....anyways...

Urban:

International - Tony Touch
Local - Baby Yu

House/Trance

International - Marco V, Yoji, junkie XL, Steve Murano, Deep Dish, Darude

Local - Mark Mendes, Manzone And Strong, Addy, Mark Oliver

Euro :

International - Yea okay what idiot will make it that big spinning euro

Local - Dj Juice, Lil Funky

Thats my opinion....

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:50 AM

some of you guys knock down euro and any for of cheese dance so much but did you know that ferry corsten was inspired by freestyle music genre. bet all u trance heads didnt know that did ya'

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:53 AM

who cares?...inspiration means jack, if he was so inspired he would make freestyle himself

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:55 AM

i like the topic but why are ppl bringing down each others tastes???? i like trance u like euro y talk shit about each opinion .... i said i like ferry corsten..... and if u noticed i was probably one of the few who didnt add sumting along the lines of fuk euro ...... not that sum 1 tried 2 offend me or sumting but just i noticeed in most threads ppl bring down each other opinions and preferences...... i dunt get dat... or mayb im just high..... 2nd thing probably right but still consider ma long speach and lets respect each others opinions .... deal? lol

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 01:56 AM

I like euro, but the market 4 it = poop, thats why off the top of my head i cant even think of any internationally known euro djs

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 02:35 AM

	Quote: _EuG_
	euro sounds totaly different then house... completely different beat

Deep House says WAYYY different from Progressive House, what's your point. They're both still under the house catagory... Please as I said, study before talking.

37 / Female

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:08 AM

this is becoming interesting.

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:48 AM

	Quote: euroman
	wut u guys expect them to play this is the GTA , ONTARIO, CANADA, NORTH AMERICA not freakin europe or some major trance hub for fucks sake tel aviv , south africa and croatia are bigger trance destinations than toronto.. u guys need to stop thinking like ur in europe or something lol

I argree on thatttt

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:49 AM

	Quote: euroman
	some of you guys knock down euro and any for of cheese dance so much but did you know that ferry corsten was inspired by freestyle music genre. bet all u trance heads didnt know that did ya'

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:51 AM

	Quote: _EuG_
	ohh man i remember bien 16, and thinking i was a clubber lol ur mentality will change and u will laugh at ur past ... everyone does, so dont talk about clubbin till u grow up please

It prob will i not saying its NOT gonna changeee....and ive prob see more things then u in the clubbing intrusty then ur lifee dud sry to tell yu

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:52 AM

_EuG_ who do u think is a good dj in the intrusty SERIOUS answer truthfully

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:52 AM

im_the_muscle wuts ur fav d/j in this indusrty seriouslyyy DNT LIE

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 11:32 AM

	Quote: gino_mikey
	_EuG_ who do u think is a good dj in the intrusty SERIOUS answer truthfully

No one puts on a show like armin van buuren

i dont listen to him that much at home, but when he throws a party, he knows exactly how to work the crowd. Simply amazing... last time he was here we partied till 9:30 am. I wanna see a Euro dj, keep a crowd that late.

from local djs, i only like the house once:

Sydny blu, Nathan Barato, Dekoze (But they are all best heard at the zone)

And to the guy who says that house didnt start it all doesnt know wat he is talking about. House started off in the late 70s early 80s in Chicago, it was played in a place called "The Warehouse" hence the name house... over the years it became more popular and has now different kinds of house. Trance, Euro, etc all came after house

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 11:51 AM

yes i agree with u i lik euro and tranceee.....but house is coming back and its gonna be big in the future for clubs and for dj's....but at the same timee these ''BIG name Dj's that people love to see will spend the moneyy to go see them.......there not gonna see there local dj's that do clubs and shittt.......but then again most of these BIG name dj's came from doing clubs and shit lik thatt......but i must say HOUSE is in and its gonna be fucking hugeee

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 12:25 PM

I don't care what you say, but I'm from Europe. And I keep Europe close to me by listening to the music I grew up with and by keeping my culture close. Music is a huge part of culture, and for MANY Europeans, Electronica such as Trance, House and Techno are apart of the culture in a huge way

Thus I will listen to my pure European Trance without someone bad-mouthing it

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Posted: May 17 2006 at 12:57 PM

do they listen to trance there or Euro-dance?????

by all the events that happen in europe, im under the impression that they are big on hard trance

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