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39 / Female

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:08 PM

just now by a non-Italian friend... he says the Romans killed Jesus....

My answer... well maybe so but he forgave us because we have HOT women and lasagna!!

Last edited by Tinkerb1tch on May 20, 2006 a 6:11 PM

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:18 PM

Yeah, everyone thinks it was the Jews who killed him. According to the New Testament though, Jews were only involved in 2 ways: Judas giving up Jesus at the last supper, and the Sanhedrin (Jewish governing body in Israel) asking the Roman ruler in the area to kill Jesus

However, new scrolls recently found, dating back to around the 3-4th century AD say that Jesus ASKED Judas to give him up to the Romans, because he was his most trusted, and he wanted to make the ultimate sacrifice.

39 / Female

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:23 PM

Yeah, everyone thinks it was the Jews who killed him. According to the New Testament though, Jews were only involved in 2 ways: Judas giving up Jesus at the last supper, and the Sanhedrin (Jewish governing body in Israel) asking the Roman ruler in the area to kill Jesus

However, new scrolls recently found, dating back to around the 3-4th century AD say that Jesus ASKED Judas to give him up to the Romans, because he was his most trusted, and he wanted to make the ultimate sacrifice.

IS this going to turn into a political thread... this was supposed to be a joke about hot Italian women LMFAO!

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:26 PM

	Quote: Tinkerb1tch
	IS this going to turn into a political thread... this was supposed to be a joke about hot Italian women LMFAO!

A little historic/religious knowledge has never hurt anyone.
And yes, Italian women are hot - well, usually the teenage ones, then they become married and have children, and turn from beautiful medditereanean(sp) girls to over-feeding/over-caring/over-worrying medditereanean women

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:29 PM

yeah everyone dose...wehn the turht is that they did have a part in that..only they didnt kill..theyve betrayed him...they didnt pritect him...but they didnt have a chose but to let him die...and its also true that the cross symbol is a symbol of sufferness and pain...but its alil off topic.

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:34 PM

	Quote: rus_allince
	yeah everyone dose...wehn the turht is that they did have a part in that..only they didnt kill..theyve betrayed him...they didnt pritect him...but they didnt have a chose but to let him die...and its also true that the cross symbol is a symbol of sufferness and pain...but its alil off topic.

If you tell someone "kill a person or we'll riot, and you will have a war on your hands", then I think they will kill the person, and the motive is to please you - then it IS your fault

Sure they had a choice, the Roman ruler of the area didn't care about Jesus. he only did it to please the Sanhedrin.

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 06:35 PM

HAHAHA LMAO!!!!!!!...now i get it...but i dont like lasagna!!!!

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Posted: May 20 2006 at 07:27 PM

	Quote: rus_allince
	HAHAHA LMAO!!!!!!!...now i get it...but i dont like lasagna!!!!

Lasagna is awesome!

39 / Female

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 12:43 AM

	Quote: rus_allince
	yeah everyone dose...wehn the turht is that they did have a part in that..only they didnt kill..theyve betrayed him...they didnt pritect him...but they didnt have a chose but to let him die...and its also true that the cross symbol is a symbol of sufferness and pain...but its alil off topic.

If you tell someone "kill a person or we'll riot, and you will have a war on your hands", then I think they will kill the person, and the motive is to please you - then it IS your fault

Sure they had a choice, the Roman ruler of the area didn't care about Jesus. he only did it to please the Sanhedrin.

He handed the decision over to the Jews ... he had absolutely no problems with Jesus it was the Jewish people that hated Jesus... they were brainwashed into thinking that he was a evil all because the high priests of the time didn't want the knowledge of his great powers and identity to go any further than they already had. HE really didn't have a choice he didn't want riots and so to keep the peace he inevitably handed Jesus' life over to the Jews as a sacrifice rather than have a war break out on his 'turf'.

39 / Female

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 12:43 AM

	Quote: rus_allince
	HAHAHA LMAO!!!!!!!...now i get it...but i dont like lasagna!!!!

Lasagna is awesome!

Yes, yes it is!

Especially mine!!

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 12:11 PM

Quote: Tinkerb1tch

He handed the decision over to the Jews ... he had absolutely no problems with Jesus it was the Jewish people that hated Jesus... they were brainwashed into thinking that he was a evil all because the high priests of the time didn't want the knowledge of his great powers and identity to go any further than they already had. HE really didn't have a choice he didn't want riots and so to keep the peace he inevitably handed Jesus' life over to the Jews as a sacrifice rather than have a war break out on his 'turf'.

Which is what I said

The people weren't "brainwashed". It was pretty much JUST the high priests who caused Jesus to be killed by the Romans. They did it because he said he was the son of g-d, and the messiah, when in reality, he wasn't.

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 01:18 PM

nuff political stuff

38 / Female

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 02:35 PM

I agree with tinkerb1tch .. even though judas did betray jesus who was appearantly his most devoted follower .. it all happened for a reason .. Jesus needed a way to sacrfice himself for the sinners .. people should just appreciate that .. and stop investigating who ordered for him to die .. b/cuz it was all done for a good cause in the end .. (those who did make it happen will suffer anyways)

38 / Female

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 02:37 PM

Quote: Tinkerb1tch

He handed the decision over to the Jews ... he had absolutely no problems with Jesus it was the Jewish people that hated Jesus... they were brainwashed into thinking that he was a evil all because the high priests of the time didn't want the knowledge of his great powers and identity to go any further than they already had. HE really didn't have a choice he didn't want riots and so to keep the peace he inevitably handed Jesus' life over to the Jews as a sacrifice rather than have a war break out on his 'turf'.

Which is what I said

The people weren't "brainwashed". It was pretty much JUST the high priests who caused Jesus to be killed by the Romans. They did it because he said he was the son of g-d, and the messiah, when in reality, he wasn't.

how can you say he was not the Messiah if more than half the world believes he is?

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 04:47 PM

	Quote: natusik
	how can you say he was not the Messiah if more than half the world believes he is?

Millions believe in the Buddha - do you? Millions believe in many g-ds, of whom some have many arms and elephant-like beaks - do you? Some worship cows and fire - do you?

Just because someone believes in something, doesn't mean YOU have to believe in it

Look at the signs given for the post-messianic times in the Old Testament, and then tell me that he was the messiah

PLUS I do not really believe what the New Testament says, looking at how much of it was written by 4 people - one of the books is compiled from someone's LETTERS. Plus the Catholic Church changed enough details throughout it's existence, I believe one of the Vatican Councils even made Jesus the son of g-d, something he was not considered beforehand.

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 04:50 PM

	Quote: natusik
	how can you say he was not the Messiah if more than half the world believes he is?

Plus, there are only about 1.2 billion Catholics. Many of the other Christian denominations (which together compose 800 million, or 0.8 billion) do not all consider Jesus to be son of g-d and/or messiah. And there are more than 6 billion people in the world...

Do your math

38 / Female

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 06:41 PM

thanks for the statistics .. yet this subject is purely about a persons faith ... you cannot say " in reality he is no the messiah" because it's open to opinion .. such a thing cannot be proven just as all religious theories cannot be proven religion is something you believe in blindly

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Posted: May 21 2006 at 10:42 PM

	Quote: natusik
	thanks for the statistics .. yet this subject is purely about a persons faith ... you cannot say " in reality he is no the messiah" because it's open to opinion .. such a thing cannot be proven just as all religious theories cannot be proven religion is something you believe in blindly

Of course, that's what I meant - that in my opinion, he does not exist. If you believe in him, that's great, it's none of my buisness what others believe in, and I respect their beliefs.

What did bother me was when I read "so many people believe in him, how can you not" - because, as you said, religion is open to an individual's interpretation, it is belief and faith and nothing else

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Posted: May 22 2006 at 11:29 AM

40 / Female

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Posted: May 22 2006 at 11:37 AM

blah blah blah... wats the point of this ??

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